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- IETF STEERING GROUP (IESG)
-
- REPORT FROM THE TELECONFERENCE
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- October 8th, 1992
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- Reported by: Greg Vaudreuil, IESG Secretary
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- This report contains IESG meeting notes, positions and action items.
- For more information please contact the IESG Secretary.
-
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- ATTENDEES
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-
- Almquist, Philip / Consultant
- Borman, David / Cray Research
- Crocker, Dave / TBO
- Crocker, Steve / TIS
- Coya, Steve / CNRI
- Gross, Philip / ANS
- Hinden, Robert / SUN
- Hobby, Russ /UC-Davis
- Huizer, Erik / SURFnet
- Piscitello, Dave/ Bellcore
- Vaudreuil, Greg / CNRI
-
- Regrets
- Davin, Chuck / Bellcore
- Reynolds, Joyce / ISI
- Stockman, Bernard / SUNET/NORDUnet
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- AGENDA
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- 1) Administivia
- o Approval of the Minutes
- o Next IESG Teleconference
-
- 2) Protocol Actions
- o Appletalk over PPP
- o String Representation of Distinguished Names
- o SNMP over Foo
- o Token Ring MIB
- o RIP Version 2
- o RIP Version 2 MIB
- o RIP Protocol Analysis
- o Ident/ Ident MIB
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- 4) Technical Management Issues
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- o ROAD Activities
- o IESG Re-Organization
- o IESG Meeting Minutes
- o Working Group Tracking/Charters
-
- MINUTES
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- 1) Administrivia
-
- o Approval of the minutes
-
- The IESG discussed and approved the minutes for the meetings of the
- September 10, 14 and 21st. The minutes of October 1st were held for
- further review. Gross noted that the minutes do reflect the IESG
- meetings, but much of the work of the IESG occurs on the mailing
- list and is not recorded. An agenda item was added to discuss
- this.
-
- o Next Meeting
-
- The next IESG meeting was set for October 19th, 12-2 ET. Plans were
- tentatively made for a face to face meeting at Interop Wednesday,
- 28th for lunch at Interop. Those IESG members not in attendance
- would be linked by telephone.
-
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- 2) Protocol Actions
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- o PPP LCP for Appletalk
-
- The IAB raised a question on the references to the APPLE ASCII
- character set referenced in the document.
-
- ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Contact the author of the PPP LCP and get a
- reference for the APPLE ASCII character set for the IAB.
-
- o SNMP over IPX, Appletalk, OSI
-
- The IAB has a question about whether there is a preference for UDP
- over other protocols where UDP may be present in a multi-protocol
- segment of the network. The general policy on this was published as
- RFC 1270.
-
- ACTION: Piscitello -- Communicate by reference the preference for running
- SNMP over UDP if UDP is present in the local networking environment.
-
- o String Representation of Distinguished Name
-
- A new document is ready for IESG consideration. Because the changes
- are numerous, a second last call should be issued.
-
- ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Send a second last call for the Internet Draft
- "String Representation of Distinguished Names".
-
- o RIP Version 2
-
- There was nothing to report. Efforts to conclude a review of RIP V2
- are continuing.
-
- o IDENT
-
- During IESG review of the protocol, the identification of character
- sets and the naming of a default character set were discussed. It
- is an architectural principle articulated by the IAB that ASCII be
- the default character set in the Internet, and that a mechanism for
- identification of other character sets be present wherever a text
- field is specified. Changes were identified in the IDENT documents
- and a new version is expected. The IDENT MIB deals correctly with
- this issue but requires the assignment of OID's to the character
- sets named in the MIME registry.
-
- ACTION: S. Crocker -- Encourage Mike St. Johns to submit a new version
- of the IDENT protocol to the Internet Drafts directory.
-
- 3) Technical Management
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- o Routing and Addressing
-
- A copy of the IESG plan for Routing and Addressing was posted as an
- Internet Draft. There has been some comment on the criterion as
- specified, in particular on the operational transition and security
- considerations. The IESG agreed to incorporate what little feedback
- has been received into a new version to be published as an
- Informational RFC.
-
- ACTION: Gross -- Send to Vaudreuil a list of changes to be made to the
- IESG Road document.
-
- ACTION: Vaudreuil -- With the changes from Gross, edit the IESG ROAD
- Plan document and send it to the RFC Editor for publication.
-
- The IESG plans to meet and discuss the ROAD presentations during the
- week. A lunch meeting has been scheduled for Wednesday to prepare
- for the Open Plenary. The Open Plenary will be devoted to
- discussing the various ROAD proposals. The IESG also plans to meet
- Friday morning and possibly again in the afternoon with the IAB.
-
- ACTION: Gross -- Contact Braden and invite the IAB to join the IESG for
- lunch on the Friday of the November IETF meeting.
-
- o New IESG Members / Re-alignment of Areas.
-
- With the departure of Noel Chiappa and Susan Estrada and the
- increased work load in the Internet and Routing Areas, the IESG has
- begun the process of re-aligning Working Groups and Areas.
-
- The IESG discussed re-aligning the addressing work of the Internet
- Area into the Routing and the formation of a directorate to better
- coordinate the development of IP version 7 and a new routing
- architecture. The Internet Area will continue to be responsible for
- issues of IP over FOO, and network level multi-protocol
- interworking.
-
- The OSI protocols in the Internet are now mature enough to be
- coordinated directly in the relevant IESG area. The IESG discussed
- moving OSI applications in the Applications area, the OSI
- Operational groups to the Operational Requirements area, and network
- level groups to the Internet Area. Under this scheme the OSI Area
- Directors would move to other areas to foster the integration of
- OSI protocols into the general Internet Infrastructure.
-
- ACTION: All IESG -- Examine the Working Groups in your relevant area
- and make suggestions for the re-alignment of groups to foster better
- coordination.
-
- The IESG is still under-staffed and Phill Gross asked the IESG to
- submit recommendations for new Area Directors. To deal with the
- work load, the IESG agreed to form Area Directorates as soon as
- possible given the re-alignment of IESG areas.
-
- (ED Note: These names will not appear in the final minutes)
-
- o John Curran was nominated from UCL for Internet Area
- o Daniel Karrenberg for Internet Area
- o Stev Knowles for Internet
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- o IESG Meeting Minutes
-
- After reviewing the IESG minutes, Phill Gross observed that the
- minutes do not accurately reflect the full deliberations of the
- IESG. In particular, many discussions begun at an IESG
- teleconference are concluded by email and are not recorded. After
- discussion, the IESG asked Vaudreuil to prepare an appendix for the
- minutes reflecting follow up-discussions up to the next IESG
- meeting.
-
- POSITION: IESG minutes should reflect IESG mailing list deliberations.
-
- o Working Group Charters
-
- IETF Working Group charters are not being well updated. The
- secretariat will begin a review of the charters and will work with
- Area Directors and Working Group chairman to re-write the charters
- in the new more trackable form. In particular, there are several
- working groups which claim to be piloting various protocols, but
- there are no deliverables. These groups should have a milestone to
- report on the progress of the pilot.
-
- 4) Working Group Actions.
-
- o OSI Upper-Layer Communications for Applications (skinstak)
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- The charter as written is too broad and needs to be refined to
- address the specific types of protocols to be profiled for this
- treatment. The IESG is reluctant to charter a working group to
- define an general OSI profile but is willing to charter a group to
- profile OSI for Internet use.
-
- ACTION: Huizer -- Encourage the submission of a new charter for the
- skinstak group.
-
-
- Appendix - Action Items
- --------
-
- ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Contact the author of the PPP LCP and get a
- reference for the APPLE ASCII character set for the IAB.
-
- ACTION: Piscitello -- Communicate by reference the preference for
- running SNMP over UDP if UDP is present in the local networking
- environment.
-
- ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Send a second last call for the Internet Draft
- "String Representation of Distinguished Names".
-
- ACTION: S. Crocker -- Encourage Mike St. Johns to submit a new version
- of the IDENT protocol to the Internet Drafts directory.
-
- ACTION: Gross -- Send to Vaudreuil a list of changes to be made to the
- IESG Road document.
-
- ACTION: Vaudreuil -- With the changes from Gross, edit the IESG ROAD
- Plan document and send it to the RFC Editor for publication.
-
- ACTION: Gross -- Contact Braden and invite the IAB to join the IESG for
- lunch on the Friday of the November IETF meeting.
-
- ACTION: All IESG -- Examine the Working Groups in your relevant area
- and make suggestions for the re-alignment of groups to foster better
- coordination.
-
- ACTION: Huizer -- Encourage the submission of a new charter for the
- skinstak group.
-
- Appendix - Positions Taken
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- POSITION: IESG minutes should reflect IESG mailing list deliberations.
-
-
- Appendix - Mailing List Follow up Discussion
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- o Re-alignment of the IESG Areas.
-
- The following new alignment was proposed for the OSI Area Working Groups.
-
- - MHS-DS (mhsds) => Applications
- - MIME-MHS Interworking (mimemhs) => Applications
- - Network OSI Operations (noop) => Operational Requirements
- - OSI Directory Services (osids) => Applications
- - X.400 Operations (x400ops) => Applications
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- The following alignment was proposed for the Routing Area
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- - IP over Large Public Data Networks (iplpdn) => Internet
-
- The following alignment was proposed for the Internet Area
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- - IP Address Encapsulation (ipae) => Routing
- - P. Internet Protocol (pip) => Routing
- - TCP/UDP over CLNP-addressed Networks (tuba) => Routing
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